Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:05): It's interesting hearing the questions from Senator McKenzie, given that we had no support from those opposite to improve the cost of living for all Australians, in particular for the support around the tax. Senator McKenzie: Here we go with the same thing. Senator McCARTHY: Let me tell you again, because it actually matters to the Australians out there that, every time we put something forward in this Senate to improve the cost of living for Australians, that side voted no. Senator McKenzie: On a point of direct relevance: the minister, in three questions now, has not gone to the Motor Trades Association data that the minister she's representing has a copy of. Senator Wong: On the point of order: the senator in question, Senator McKenzie, referenced the cost-of-living crisis in her question. The minister is entirely relevant in responding to that point, as she is doing. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, you did reference the cost of living, I think, in all of your questions but certainly in this one. Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, you're not in a debate with me. You've called the point of order. The minister is being directly relevant to your question. Senator McCARTHY: It is interesting to hear Senator McKenzie. We know that there is division on the other side and that there is no conclusion of any of their policies. In fact, they really have no policies except one. But let me see what Paul Fletcher says: If Australia had fuel efficiency standards in line with comparable nations, estimates of the fuel saving per passenger vehicle could be above $500 per year, or nearly $28 billion in total by 2040. (Time expired)