Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:03): We do have many quotes from experts in the field. In fact, Rohan Martin, the CEO of the National Automotive Leasing and Salary Packaging Association, says: From Werribee to Wanneroo, ordinary Australians living in the outer suburbs are actually the people most likely to take advantage of and benefit from the discount to battery EVs and plug in hybrids provided through the FBT exemption and novated leasing. We're also seeing strong pick up among workers living in regional centres including Ballarat and Toowoomba. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, second supplementary?