Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:00): I thank Senator McKenzie for the question. I wonder if this is the end of their weekend policy on vehicles. The Albanese Labor government is working to get more cleaner and cheaper-to-run cars into the market so they're accessible to all families, in Blacktown, Launceston and Cranbourne—a standard that will save Australians $1,000 per year on average on fuel costs. We all remember the days when there were only one or two hybrids or EVs on the market. which were prohibitively expensive for families. Under the Albanese government, we are now seeing over 160 new models available, including Australia's first EV for under $30,000, and they're getting cheaper. Cars that have never been available to Australians before, like new Ford Ranger plug-in hybrids and— The PRESIDENT: Minister McCarthy, please resume your seat. Senator McKenzie, a point of order? Senator McKenzie: A point of order on direct relevance: I asked about the Motor Trades Association's modelling which had been released today and which was also on the front page of the Australian Financial Review. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator McKenzie. The minister is being directly relevant to your question. Minister McCarthy. Senator Cash interjecting— Senator Ayres: You'd make them work it for free. You'd force them to work it for free. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ayres, order! That's twice within a matter of about four minutes I've called you! Senator McCARTHY: We know that, under the Liberals and Nationals, the markets would once again be frozen in time with the best cars on the market going to the other countries. So what MTAA's analysis actually highlights is how ridiculous claims by lobbyists and the opposition were. Their overblown campaigns from not even a year ago projected brands would have to wear $38 billion in fines which would be passed through to consumers and push prices up. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, first supplementary?