Senator PAYMAN (Western Australia) (14:53): The previously mentioned blowout is nothing compared to the mother of all rorts, and that's the AUKUS submarine deal, with costs expected to reach at least $368 billion over the coming decades. This program will be a burden on taxpayers and the budget. It's a deal that is more political than strategic. How can the minister justify shipping billions of dollars of taxpayer money overseas to multinationals during this cost-of-living crisis? The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong. Senator Wong: With respect, I don't believe that's a supplementary question. The PRESIDENT: Yes. Senator Payman, that was not a supplementary question. It needs to be related to your primary and your first supplementary question. I will invite the minister, if she wishes to make a contribution, to do so, but she's not obliged to.