Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:27): Thanks, Senator Grogan, for that question. Public ownership is the best way to deliver an NBN that continues to be affordable and ensures that Australians have access to high-speed internet. This is important for regional Australians who rely on the NBN to run their businesses and remain connected while living, sometimes, in very remote locations. Senator Henderson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson! Senator Henderson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson, when I call your name, you are not in a debate with me, and you don't call back. I have asked you respectfully to be quiet, and you've completely ignored me. You are being disrespectful. Senator McALLISTER: The government's bill will ensure, of course, that the NBN remains in public hands, but those opposite are refusing to support it, and you have to ask the question why. Why is that? Well, it's because we know that they actually want to sell it, just like they sold Telstra. That's the risk, and it's one that is reinforced by all of the comments that have been made this morning. Privatising this asset will mean that people like Angie and Brant will be paying a higher price for a worse product. If those opposite truly support regional Australia, they will support our bill. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Tyrrell— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order across the chamber! I expect Senator Tyrrell to be able to ask her question in complete silence. Senator Ciccone: Hear, hear! The PRESIDENT: Senator Ciccone, I don't need 'hear, hear' because you were one of the senators being disorderly. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I'm waiting to call Senator Tyrrell. Order! Senator Tyrrell, please ask your question.