Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:14): I thank Senator Birmingham for his second supplementary question. It has been a very long-standing practice in this place that particularly special ministers of state don't start going into specific details about employment relations. It's important— Senator Hughes: Sorry? Senator FARRELL: Well, that has been the long— Senator Reynolds: That is the biggest piece of rubbish I ever heard. The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator Cash: Really? The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash! Senator Birmingham on a point of order? I am sorry, Senator Birmingham. I do need your side— Senator Reynolds: Bunch of hypocrites. The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! I am not sure who that was but I am going to ask them to withdraw. Senator Reynolds interjecting— The PRESIDENT: No, you stand and withdraw. I think it was you. Senator Reynolds: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Reynolds. I have Senator Birmingham on a point of order. I expect it to be heard in silence. Senator Birmingham: Thank you, President. The point of order goes to matters of direct relevance. The question was quite tightly worded, asking the minister in terms of actions he has taken to ensure himself of compliance with the Members of Parliament (Staff) Act and the ministerial staff code of conduct, not to go into the details of any matter, but ministerial action to ensure compliance. The PRESIDENT: I thought the minister was being relevant but I will continue to listen carefully, Senator Birmingham, noting your concern. Minister Farrell. Senator FARRELL: Thank you, President. As I said, I don't make a practice of commenting publicly about these issues and the actions that I take. In this particular job, you come across a lot of information about both staff and members of parliament. If I was called upon to release information about all of those issues from time to time— (Time expired)