Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:54): Our approach—unusually, it seems—is informed by experts, and we actually listen when they tell us that the optimal path for future investment is solar and wind firmed by batteries and storage and supported by gas. We want to ensure the reliability and affordability of our energy system, and we want to grasp the opportunities of the clean energy transformation. We are not taking the approach of those opposite, who have become very, very quiet. Those are the people who would see Australia backslide on our targets and sit outside of the Paris Agreement with Iran, Libya and Yemen. We certainly won't be taking the approach of waiting decades to build expensive, risky nuclear reactors that experts say will provide just 3.7 per cent of power that Australia needs. We just cannot wait decades for that.