Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:00): I thank the good senator from Western Australia for the question. Just to follow up on something that he might have said 10 seconds before the question: we all love beef. We all like to eat sheep—those of us who like that—and lamb. It is important. It's good food. It's something that certainly those of us in the Northern Territory like. The PRESIDENT: Senator Brockman on a point of order? Senator Brockman: Yes. The question was about IV saline availability. The minister's got nowhere near it. If she doesn't know the answer, she should sit down. The PRESIDENT: I will return the senator to your question. Minister McCarthy? Senator McCARTHY: I know this is an important question for the senator from Western Australia, and I would say this: we saw what happened during the pandemic, when we couldn't get the medical supplies that we needed when we needed them most, which is why the Albanese government is investing to create strong domestic supply chains that support our world-class services. That includes rebuilding our medical, pharmaceutical and manufacturing capacity in this country and to reach out right across all of these sectors, including the sectors that the good senator from Western Australia is asking a question about. We've dedicated $1.5 billion of the $15 billion of the National Reconstruction Fund for medical manufacturing. Only the Albanese Labor government believes in making things here and is investing so we aren't always reliant on others in a crisis. Under your watch, Australians faced shortages of vaccines, shortages of COVID tests and shortages of PPE for our frontline workers. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Ruston! Senator Cash! Senator McCARTHY: Even today they stand in here and say that they want stronger domestic capability while, at the same time, their colleagues rant and rave in the opposite place. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston and Senator Cash, I called both of you, and you completely disregarded my direction. Senator Brockman, first supplementary?