Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:39): I thank Senator Rice for the question. I recognise this is an issue that she has a long history of activism in. There are two states in Australia which have now decided to phase out native forestry, those being Victoria and Western Australia, but there are a number of states that have not made that decision. As you point out, native forestry around a number of states is regulated through regional forestry agreements. The reality is that, at this point in time at least, we are not in a position as a country to meet all our timber needs through plantation forestry. It's estimated that plantations supply something like 85 to 90 per cent of timber, paper and products in Australia, and it is completely unrealistic to think that if we were to ban native forestry immediately in the form that you're suggesting we would be able to meet our timber, paper and other wood product needs— Senator Henderson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson! Senator Henderson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Henderson! Senator WATT: quite apart from the impact such a decision would have on regional communities and the jobs that are delivered through those industries. When I here these sorts of comments from the Greens, it's a little like the argument that we should be shutting down all coal and gas tomorrow as well, ignoring the fact that it would bring the electricity network to a halt and people's lights would go out. Similarly, if we were to end native forestry today in the way that you suggest, we wouldn't be able to meet our timber, paper and other wood product needs. Unfortunately for the Greens, some of us choose to live in the real world, where we need to be making decisions about what will actually happen in the world. We as a government support responsible, sustainable forestry. Minister Plibersek flagged an intention to look at how this practice is conducted, in consultation with stakeholders, but we need to be real. The PRESIDENT: Before I come to Senator Rice—Senator Henderson, when I call you to order, that's what I expect. Senator Rice, a first supplementary question?