Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:57): As I said, we need to be very careful and very sensitive because any death by suicide is a tragedy—I say that upfront. Senator McCarthy, I reject the premise of your question, because I believe it is incorrect for you to interpret Centrelink customer death statistics as suicides. These are all individual cases and all these individual people deserve respect and not to be spoken about as just a statistic. We know that there are a number of deceased customers of Centrelink whose estates are entitled to a refund under the Income Compliance program. Those estates will receive those refunds, as will everybody in the Income Compliance program. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: Mr President, the question was asked with the sensitivity that the minister is urging. My point of order goes to direct relevance. Senator McCarthy asked whether the minister had sought a report about those who might have died by suicide as a consequence of being pursued under the illegal scheme. We haven't asked about refunds; we've asked whether or not a report around the effects of the scheme has been asked for. The PRESIDENT: I've allowed you to restate the question, Senator Wong. While the minister was talking about this sensitive matter in substance, I do consider her to be directly relevant. Senator Ruston has concluded the answer. Senator McCarthy, a final supplementary question?