Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:54): We have already been able to make 4,200 payments, but we understand that more needs to be done. That's why we are putting in place these very strong sanctions. If just the thought of being named and shamed isn't enough then hopefully the financial penalty will make sure that people understand their responsibility and that this government is absolutely serious. We have made it clear that we expect any institution that was named in the royal commission and any institution that was named in an application from a survivor to join. We want them to join the scheme and we want to make sure that we have every power to compel them to do so. We've also made it very clear that any institution receiving government funding that fails to join the scheme will no longer be eligible to receive that funding. I remain absolutely committed to naming and shaming every single institution that does not accept their responsibility to survivors of child sexual abuse and give them the redress that they deserve.