Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:09): I thank Senator Gallagher for her question. Clearly, there were decisions of many previous governments to make sure that, where Australians had received money from the taxpayer to which they were not entitled, the government would seek to recover it. There is an expectation by the Australian public that the government will seek to recover that debt. One of the measures which was put in place by the previous government and subsequently undertaken by the government of which I am now a member was to use a form of determination called income averaging. We subsequently know and acknowledge that that method by which we determined debts was deemed not to be valid. We acknowledge that it was determined not to be valid. I believe that the Prime Minister has actually apologised to those people who have been impacted by that form of debt collection. Senator Keneally interjecting— Senator O'Neill interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Keneally! Order, Senator O'Neill! Senator RUSTON: However, as soon as we became aware that that method of debt collection was not valid, we immediately ceased collecting funds by that means and put in place a very, very quick and responsive program— Senator O'Neill interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator O'Neill, I have called you to order on numerous occasions. Senator RUSTON: by which we would pay back Australians who had received debt notices as a result of using income averaging as a means by which to determine that debt. We are not the only government to have used income averaging as a means to determine debt. In fact, I can actually give you a number of quotes from people that still remain in this parliament that are members of the opposition party who made comments in relation to it. I might wait to give the examples after the next question so I have more time. The PRESIDENT: I am going to insist that when I call a senator to order they at least count to 10 before they completely disobey the standing orders again. It is the first day of the last fortnight. It is going to be a very long one if people continue to behave like this. It is going to make it hard for me to rule on points of order when I can't hear an answer. So I ask for a little bit of self-restraint on this first day. Senator Gallagher, a supplementary question?