Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:04): I reject the premise of the question that has just been asked by Senator Brown, in terms of the rollout. The rollout has accelerated significantly. In my answer to the last question I pointed out to the chamber that, in the last financial year, 115,000 people have actually gone onto this package. We would say that it was slightly slower than we would have hoped for the start-up to the rollout; however, 115,000 people— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Brown on a point of order? Senator Carol Brown: Yes, again on direct relevance. The question was: 'How many individuals did not receive an NDIS package despite it having been budgeted for in the 2018-19 budget?' The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, on the point of order? Senator Birmingham: On the point of order, Mr President. Yesterday in question time you made it very clear that you wished for senators to desist from using points of order to simply repeat the question. Senator Brown asked a wide-ranging question that related to the rollout of the NDIS scheme. It is very clear that Senator Ruston is being directly relevant to the question. Just because Senator Ruston has not, in the first 31 seconds of her response, come to one point of Senator Brown's question, it should not be used as a point for Senator Brown to abuse question time by repeating her question yet again. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order, Senator Wong? I'm happy to rule on it but I'm happy to take more submissions. Senator Wong: I'd simply respond to the proposition that's been put by the deputy leader. If there is an abuse of question time it is in the minister's failure to respond to the question, and that is why you are seeing the opposition respond in the way we are. The PRESIDENT: On the point of order firstly: I did correctly say yesterday that senators should not simply stand up and say 'relevance' and read out the question again, particularly when it is part of the question. I would at least ask senators to be a little more imaginative in their use of language to make a point of order on direct relevance that does not involve simply rereading out part of the question. The second question you asked in your question, Senator Brown, in my view, included phrases that reflect upon the government's administration of the scheme. The minister is being directly relevant to challenge those and outline alternative facts. I believe that in this case that is what the minister is doing and she is being directly relevant to the second part of your question. Senator RUSTON: As I said in the response to my first question, for the specific details that are being asked by the senator I of course will refer to the minister responsible in the other place and come back to her with a response. But the substance of her question is about the rollout of the NDIS, and I can absolutely assure this place that the Morrison government, our government, is absolutely committed to the full rollout of this demand-driven, state-of-the-art, massive reform in the disability sector. The PRESIDENT: Senator Brown, a final supplementary question.