Senator CAMERON (New South Wales) (14:25): My question is to the Minister for Human Services, Senator Payne. I refer to the Chief Executive Officer of the Consumer Action Law Centre, Gerard Brody, who says that consumer lease companies like Radio Rentals are providing high-cost credit arrangements to welfare recipients through Centrepay and that: Often the costs are three to five times the value of the goods that are being rented… Can the minister confirm that this is correct?