Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:17): It is very difficult to try to do anything with the Labor Party on a bipartisan basis because the loyalty they pledge and declare to their own leaders is thrown out the door at a whim, as Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard can both testify to. So, when Senator Conroy comes into this place, hand on heart, saying, 'Trust me; trust me; we will be true on this occasion,' I pick up the phone to Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard and say, 'Are these people worthy of my trust?' and they tell me no. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Cameron: Mr President, I raise a point of order, and it is on relevance. The key issue in this question was: will the government meet its commitment to build the 12 submarines in Adelaide? That is the issue, nothing more, nothing less. The PRESIDENT: Thank you. On the point of order, Senator Abetz? Senator ABETZ: Mr President, once again Senator Cameron, like his leader before him yesterday, tries to reinvent the question. The question also asked whether or not we would join in Labor's bipartisan pledge, and of course that is to what I was responding. The PRESIDENT: Minister, have you concluded your answer? Senator ABETZ: I have indeed. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Edwards and Senator Conr—Senator Cameron. Senator Cameron! An honourable senator: A Freudian slip, Mr President! The PRESIDENT: It was very Freudian! Senator Bernardi on a point of order? Senator Bernardi: No, I have a question. The PRESIDENT: I am not going to call you at the moment, Senator Bernardi. Senator Bernardi: But no-one else is seeking the call. Nobody else is seeking the call, Mr President. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Bernardi! The common practice in question time is that I normally indicate— Senator Bernardi: But, if they are asleep, Mr President, I am allowed to seek the call. The PRESIDENT: No, that is not the case, Senator Bernardi. I was not going to call the next questioner until there was order in the chamber. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: And I am still waiting. Order on both sides! Thank you.