Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:57): What we have regrettably been seeing around this country is too many Australian workers losing their employment and it might not be dawning on some of the former trade union officials sitting opposite but it is dawning on some practising trade union officials that sometimes it is worthwhile to say no pay increase to protect jobs. The AMWU saw the sense of that at SPC. It was the National Union of Workers who saw the sense of that at Coca-Cola Amatil in recent times. Even the CFMEU in Western Australia was mugged by that reality recently with a building company where they agreed to a substantial reduction in income to protect their jobs. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Cameron, a point of order? Senator Cameron: Mr President, yes, I raise a point of order on realities. The question was quite clear: how are workers to get a wage increase if they are covered by an enterprise agreements? The PRESIDENT: The minister has been addressing that question directly, Senator Cameron. If you did not interject as much, you may have heard more of his answer. Senator ABETZ: The best workplace condition that any worker can have is a job in the first place. (Time expired)