Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:44): Again, it is important to put the mistruths which are being peddled to the sword, quite frankly. Contrary to that scaremongering, these changes will not result in any job losses for my department. I find, in fact, the protests of those opposite quite interesting, given that the outsourcing of record-management units for Medicare began in 2009— Government senators interjecting— Senator PAYNE: and of course it was expanded across Centrelink and Child Support— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Senator PAYNE: in 2011. In fact, it was the Labor Party in government that began the consolidation of the record-management units. Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Senator PAYNE: Firstly they closed the Darwin office in 2011. Then they consolidated two units in Perth in 2012. So perhaps Senator Cameron could decide to check his facts. He has half-a-dozen former human services ministers to ask, including three in this chamber. (Time expired) Senator Kim Carr interjecting— Senator Cormann interjecting— Senator Fifield: Senator Carr, the great outsourcer! The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann and Senator Fifield.