Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Assistant Minister for Social Services) (14:21): I want to be very careful that I do not make the blunders and mistakes of those opposite in redesigning this scheme. What we will put in place will be something that will stand the test of time. And I also note in your question, Senator Polley, that you implied that the supplement was something that was paid to individuals. It was not; it was paid to providers to support individuals. It is not money that has come out of the pockets of individuals. That is a mistaken impression that you have constantly sought to give. It is not money that went into the pockets of individuals. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Polley: Mr President, a point of order: I ask you to draw to the attention of the minister that instead of trying to imply something that was not in the question he should answer the question and give some certainty to the sector. The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, you are now debating. Senator FIFIELD: I should indicate why I did not invite Senator Polley or Mr Neumann to the forum I had in Melbourne with providers, clinicians and consumers. I invited only those people who recognised that there was a problem with the previous design and wanted to make a contribution to putting something new in place. What you want to do is put the old supplement in place to see the budget blow out to the tune of $1.5 billion over 10 years. (Time expired)