Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:54): In these matters you cannot just look at one situation in isolation. As we have seen from the tax review by the Australian Labor Party under Dr Ken Henry, he fully acknowledged and suggested that the superannuation guarantee increases should not be occurring because superannuation guarantee payments are ultimately paid for by less wages. Senator Cameron: So they are going to get more wages, are they? Tell us how they are going to get more wages. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, Senator Doug Cameron, as is his want, interjects nonstop to completely trash the reputation of Labor's former head of Treasury, Dr Ken Henry. Why they do it, I do not know, but that is what Senator Doug Cameron is doing. It stands to reason that the more one puts into superannuation the more one would have later on in life. That is logical. The question is: is it affordable today, given all the economic imperatives and problems we face for that to occur? Those opposite would be aware that— Senator Cameron: I thought the Liberals supported thrift. Senator ABETZ: We do support thrift. That is why we have been seeking to stop the debt burden inflicted on the Australian people by those opposite. One thousand million dollars per month is being borrowed from overseas to pay the interest on the debts incurred by the Australian Labour Party and they have the audacity to hector and lecture us about thrift. What an audacity! (Time expired)