Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:41): Thank you, Senator Lambie. Let me pull up my brief on this matter. Senator Conroy: Oh, dear. You should have done that first! The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Conroy! Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator Johnston has the call. Senator JOHNSTON: The fact is that we have a serious issue with post-traumatic stress disorder in the ADF. I have taken the time to compare the suicide rates known to us inside the ADF, and with recent veterans members leaving the ADF and going into the Veterans' Affairs jurisdiction, with those of the United States. The comparison is much more favourable for us. The rate is very, very disturbing in the United States. We leave no stone unturned in getting the transition right and in managing the mental health of our people. It occupies our mind every day for several hours. (Time expired)