Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (15:08): I thank Senator Brown for the supplementary. The problem with the approach that is being taken by those on the other side to this question is that they can only deal in hyperbole and exaggeration. They have no facts with which to deal. We have Australian universities dropping in world rankings, we have limited choice, and we have every student not being funded by the Commonwealth. What we want to do, Mr President— Senator Moore: Mr President, I raise a point of order as to relevance. The specific question referred to the increase in university fees and asked the minister to confirm whether university degrees would cost up to three times as much. That was the specific question, Mr President, and I ask you to draw the attention of the minister to that question. The PRESIDENT: I do draw the minister's attention to the question. The minister has 33 seconds remaining. Senator PAYNE: Let me make it very clear for Senator Moore and Senator Brown: I do not actually agree with the premise of Senator Brown's question and I responded by saying it was based entirely in exaggeration and hyperbole. So I do not agree with the question; therefore, that is my answer to that part of the question. I advise the chamber that we are giving higher education institutions and students in Australia the capacity to be internationally competitive and to engage in thousands and thousands more courses, which should see 80,000 more students in our institutions by 2018. (Time expired)