Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (15:01): It is always nice to get one of those rare questions from Senator Carr, so I thank him at two minutes past three for doing so. I am still waiting for one from his little mate beside him, but that might come in due course. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Ronaldson, come to the question. Senator RONALDSON: What I will say is there has been a lot of talk by Senator Carr in the last week about the importance of science, and that has been intermingled with a bit of sleazy attack on Senator Sinodinos. We have had a mixture of science, and we have had a mixture of sleaze on the way through. But he is not on his own there. I noticed there was a Senate inquiry that Senator Carr has been pushing for in relation to science and innovation. You have to look at this release to really see what drives Senator Carr and what drives the Australian Labor Party. What they have said— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Ronaldson, resume your seat. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise again on a point of order on relevance. We have gone to 58 seconds and the minister has gone nowhere near the question, which was specifically about the advisory body on clinical trials. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I do draw the minister's attention to the question. You now have 58 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator RONALDSON: I will, of course, continue the entirely accurate answer I was giving to that question from Senator Carr. I just want to read a paragraph from this press release. It has to be read to be believed. This is from Senator Carr, who was the in-out, in-out industry minister— The PRESIDENT: You need to address the question, Senator Ronaldson. I have drawn your attention to it. Senator RONALDSON: Through you, Mr President: he was the in-out, in-out industry minister. Under Rudd he was in; under Gillard he was out; then he was back in again. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Wait a minute, Senator Conroy. You know you need to wait until you have got the call. You have people behind you who are disrupting question time at this moment. Senator Conroy: Mr President, I rise on a point of order regarding relevance. I think you have kindly suggested he might want to address the question, but he will be giving us his tips for who is going to play for the Melbourne footy club on the weekend next and defining that as relevant. I would ask you again to draw his attention to the question. The PRESIDENT: I did draw the minister's attention to the question at the 58-second mark. Senator Conroy, you should not interpret my remarks as anything other than drawing the minister's attention to the question. That is all I did. Senator RONALDSON: Senator Conroy is right. I am deeply concerned about the outcome of my team's match over the weekend, but not nearly as concerned as I am about the comment from Senator Carr. I will just read this. Now, just remember, Senator Carr, the man who ripped manufacturing jobs out of this country over six years, was the science minister for four, five or six years. (Time expired)