Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:16): I dare say, if the Prime Minister ever became aware of that percentage holding to which Senator Carr refers—I emphasise 'if'—I reckon it was long after Senator Conroy—and who was that other fellow at the ski lodge?— Senator Cash: Mr Burke! Senator ABETZ: and Mr Burke were at the Obeid ski lodge. So, to come in spinner with me and try to suggest that we on this side somehow knew about the intricate workings of the Obeid family, when you and your party are so thoroughly enmeshed with them— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Wait a minute, Senator Moore. Order on my right and on my left! Senator Fierravanti-Wells, Senator Cormann, Senator Back. Senator Wong, commenting is disorderly, as you are well aware. Senator Wong: It was a friendly conversation! The PRESIDENT: I do not care how friendly or otherwise the commenting was across the chamber. I remind honourable senators: friendly commenting or otherwise is out of order during question time. Senator Moore: Thank you, Mr President. My point of order is again on relevance. The specific question was about the knowledge of the Prime Minister and the timing of that knowledge. If the minister and Leader of the Government in the Senate would like to, he can take that on notice—but at least make some attempt to answer the question. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, part of the difficulty for the Labor Party in this place today and yesterday has been the way they have framed their questions—yesterday, you had to rule them out of order. What I am saying is that there is an assertion in this question that has never been made out. But one thing we do know is that the Labor Party knows about the intricacies— (Time expired)