Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:12): As I understand the situation, all these events occurred prior to Senator Sinodinos becoming a senator and a minister and—listen carefully—before Mr Abbott became Prime Minister. If we want to trawl through everybody's history and what the Prime Minister may or may not have known about somebody well before or some time in the past, this person's— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Resume your seat, Senator Abetz. There is a point of order. Senator Moore: My point of order is direct relevance. The question was quite clear: when did the Prime Minister become aware of certain issues. If we could have an answer to that, if you could direct the minister to answer the question— The PRESIDENT: That is debating. There is no point of order. The minister has one minute and twenty-six seconds remaining. Senator ABETZ: Can I simply say to those opposite that, if there are any friendships, any relationships, between honourable senators in this place and members in the House of Representatives, why don't you get the people over there to ask the question of the Prime Minister, because he might actually be able to tell you what was or was not in his mind. Senator Kim Carr: Is that how you treat the Senate? Senator ABETZ: But, if the Prime Minister wants to add to anything that I have said in my answer, I will of course report back to the chamber in due course.