Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory—Minister Assisting for Industry and Innovation, Minister for Multicultural Affairs and Minister for Sport) (14:06): Again, as Senator Cash well knows, we have a comprehensive program with regard to the releases into the community. For many people who find themselves embarking on the settlement process when they are found to be owed protection, our settlement service provision provides for not only English language training for those people but also a range of quite specific settlement services. In relation to BVEs and other releases into the community, we have several programs, including the CAS and ASAS programs, which provide support, again utilising the contracted services of service providers in the community services sector that have experience in delivering those services. Senator Cash: Mr President, I again rise in relation to a point of order on relevance. My question was not in relation to the types of programs that are accessible under the humanitarian services program. My question was a very, very specific one: can the government guarantee that the state and territory services and taxpayers will not be worse off as a result of the government's decision? The PRESIDENT: I believe the minister is answering the question. The minister still has 17 seconds to address the question. Senator LUNDY: I reject the premise of the question, because contained within it is an implication that there is a burden. There is not. We are providing the Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme and, where necessary, the community assistance scheme, and those programs have been well in place for some time. So the implication is designed to cause division and to— (Time expired)