Senator LUNDY (Australian Capital Territory—Minister Assisting for Industry and Innovation, Minister for Multicultural Affairs and Minister for Sport) (14:00): At the moment we are, of course, in the process of implementing the recommendations of the expert working panel. It is unfortunate to see how much glee the coalition get out of the number of boats that have arrived when they have for so long held up reinstating offshore processing due to their cheap and nasty political calculations. It is the same hypocritical calculation the coalition have made to prevent the implementation of the Malaysia arrangement. They just do not want the government's border protection policies to proceed. We are of course committed to implementing the recommendations of the expert panel, of which reopening Nauru and Manus Island were priority recommendations to stop the flow of boats and prevent the loss of life on dangerous journeys to Australia. As the minister and the members of the expert panel have said many times, the real results will begin to show as more of the recommendations can be implemented. They work as a suite of measures, and no-one in this government has ever said Nauru, Manus Island or any of them would work on their own. Senator Cash: Mr President, I rise on a point of order in relation to relevance. My question was actually quite a simple one today to enable the minister to be directly relevant. It is merely a comparison of the figures that I gave the Senate in relation to the number of people who were in detention—all four of them—the day before the Rudd government was elected to office. My question is merely: how many people are today in detention, whether or not they are in detention or on a bridging visa? Senator Chris Evans: On the point of order: Senator Lundy has been giving a comprehensive answer to the question asked of her. She is allowed two minutes to respond to the question. She has been going only half of that time. I suggest that she is being absolutely relevant to the question asked of her and has provided context about detention and bridging visa policy. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 53 seconds remaining, and I do draw the minister's attention to the question Senator LUNDY: As I was saying, we are in the process of implementing. In terms of the direct comparison, the numbers I have before me relate to the number of boats and irregular maritime arrivals, not 'illegals', as they are incorrectly called by the coalition. The number of IMAs in 2012 was 15,667, with the number of boats totalling 252. I do have the accumulated numbers across the previous years, but, I think, for the purposes of this question, the coalition are making yet another cheap point. They failed to support our Malaysia arrangement and the full suite of operations and recommendations— Senator Ian Macdonald: Tell us the number. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator LUNDY: If you were listening, Senators opposite, you would have heard me say the numbers for 2012. I can sit here and add them up over the eight years— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Order! If there were not the interjections, people would be able to hear the answers to the questions. Senator Cash.