Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:04): I will seek further advice on the training days available to the unit he mentions, but the credibility of the senator is— The PRESIDENT: Order! This is not time to argue. You can answer the question, but it is not a debating time. Continue. Senator BOB CARR: Mr President, he rested his credibility today in question time on the allegation that soldiers were required to say 'bang bang' instead of firing bullets. Senator Brandis: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The point of order is relevance. The minister has already, in effect, taken the question on notice by saying that he would seek advice. He cannot now relevantly be permitted to go on to personally attack and reflect upon the senator who put the question. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! On my right! Senator Evans is on his feet. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on the point of order: the minister is 20 seconds into his answer. He is perfectly entitled in answering the question to address issues raised in the question. He is providing an answer to the Senate and the situation is where the opposition continues to try to shout him down and then take points of order after having sought information. Quite frankly, it makes a mockery of question time. They ought to allow the minister to complete his answer. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister has 40 seconds. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, on the point of order: the minister is very kindly giving an answer about my credibility. I did not ask him about my credibility; I asked him about whether the 51st Far North Queensland Regiment training days are being cut back by 75 per cent. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! There is no point of order. The minister has 40 seconds remaining. Senator BOB CARR: He started with the absurd allegation that soldiers were required to say 'bang, bang' instead of firing bullets, and he is wrong. The Army itself advises him and advises this house that the allegation is absurd and entirely wrong. He has no credibility on his subsequent questions. He suggests that the Army is disposing of historic badges of enormous significance to Australians. (Time expired)