Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:01): I am happy to assure the Senate that the Army advises there is no shortage of blank or live ammunition. Ammunition has not been affected by budget cuts. Army training, whether through dry drills or through the use of blank or live ammunition, continues to be effective. The 2012-13 defence budget was developed following a comprehensive review of the department's budget to identify contributions defence could make across the forward estimates to support the government's broader fiscal strategy. The decisions taken to determine defence's contribution to the budget bottom line have all been carefully designed to protect our service men and women and our defence operations, and to minimise the impact on core capabilities. This contribution will have no adverse effect on operations taking place, whether in Afghanistan or elsewhere. The short answer is, 'No, they are not', and that is the only— (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Macdonald, I cannot give you the call because people are interjecting across the chamber. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, my question, which the minister did not even attempt to answer, was: is it true that Army training days—that is, Reserve training—are being cut from 100 to 21 to allow for the limited ammunition to be available for operational needs? He did not answer that question. He did not even refer to it. The PRESIDENT: I am not clear: is this a point of order? Senator Ian Macdonald: Sorry, I did say that I raise a point of order and it is on relevance. The PRESIDENT: I did not hear that. I will allow the point of order. I believe the minister has been answering the question. If the minister has any time remaining, the minister can address the point of order.