Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:22): The opposition was given the benefit of a very detailed briefing by the government's experts in regard to the administration of immigration law. What that advice was— Senator Fifield: You hide behind advice every time. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides! I do not believe the behaviour in question time is assisting the conduct of the business of this Senate. Senator CARR: There was advice coming across the table that we hide behind advice. That is in sharp contrast to the actions of those on the opposite side. They do not believe that economists have anything to say, they do not believe that scientists have anything worth while to say and now, of course, they do not believe that the professionals in regard to immigration have anything worth while to say. What that advice is, and they have this advice, is that Malaysia will work, Nauru will fail. We know that people smugglers look forward with some comfort to the actions of this opposition— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! When there is silence we will proceed. Senator Carr, continue and you have got 18 seconds remaining. Senator CARR: It is the people smugglers that are looking to the Liberal Party for aid and comfort, because that is where they are getting it from. They are getting aid and comfort from the Liberal Party and the National Party. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator CARR: Of course, we now find that you are somewhat embarrassed at the company you are keeping with the Greens. Well, what we say to you is very simple: the Malaysian proposition works— (Time expired)