Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Minister Assisting the Attorney-General on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:26): Again, the issues around what the Tasmanian government does or does not do are still matters for the Tasmanian government. What the Commonwealth is doing in this is working through— Senator Bob Brown: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. Senator Milne's question did not mention the Tasmanian government. It was about Forestry Tasmania and Aprin. I ask you to have the minister direct his answer to the question. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on the point of order: Senator Ludwig is 14 seconds into his answer. To expect the minister to have seriously got into the content of his answer in 14 seconds is unrealistic. We seem to be getting a lot of spurious points of order and I suggest to you, Mr President, that there is no point of order. Senator Ludwig is attempting to give Senator Milne a serious answer to a serious question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ludwig, you have 46 seconds remaining to answer the question. Senator LUDWIG: Thank you, Mr President. Whether it is a private entity or a commercial entity in Tasmania, those are matters for commercial entities to manage their way through—that is, the commercial contracts they enter into and the terms on which they enter into them. Regarding the Commonwealth's role to date—and that is what I can describe—the government recognises the challenges in getting that statement of principles to an agreement stage. As to what the parties negotiate and the content of that agreement, until it is finally settled, I do not want to second-guess the outcome. We have appointed Mr Bill Kelty to facilitate that process. The parties are working diligently to arrive at a landed position. Senator Milne is asking me to second-guess, in some respects, what the content might finally look like and what the Commonwealth's role may be. I will take what I can on notice to see if there are any additional facts that I can provide. (Time expired)