Ms RISHWORTH (Kingston—Minister for Social Services) (14:42): Thank you I think, Mr Speaker. I would like to thank the member for Bruce for this question. I know how passionate he has been. He has been listening to the concerns of people on the cashless debit card and of course the concerns right around this country about this unfair policy. Labor wants welfare and social security to be a strong safety net that supports vulnerable Australians when they need it, and to not stigmatise them, like the former government did. That is why Labor has decisively acted to deliver on its election commitment to abolish the cashless debit card. Earlier today I introduced legislation to start the task of dismantling the coalition's cashless debit card experiment. I want to reassure the member for Bruce that seniors will no longer have to worry that their pension might get linked with the card. No-one in this country will have to worry about it, because we are getting rid of it. We are ending the experiment of privatised welfare in this country. Of course, the cashless debit card was an ideological obsession by the former coalition government. It was imposed on communities and kept rolling out, rolling out and rolling out. Of course, it was completely— Mr Tudge interjecting— Ms RISHWORTH: I have, Member for Aston. Mr Tudge: That's not true, Amanda. You know that. Ms RISHWORTH: I'll get to that. Of course, they imposed it on communities that did not want it and did not like it, and when the evidence came out that it wasn't working—there was no evidence to support it; there were pleas from communities to end it—what did they do? They just kept rolling it out. They put ideology before evidence. They chose arrogance over consultation. This was the defining feature of the former Morrison government. Well, that is not what will happen under this government. The Prime Minister, during the election campaign, said that this would be a priority, if we were elected—to get rid of the cashless debit card—and we are getting on with the job. I have visited Ceduna and the East Kimberley, and the Assistant Minister for Social Services has visited Bundaberg and Hervey Bay, and we will be visiting other communities in coming weeks. We are going to listen to First Nations communities, we are going to listen to service providers and we are going to chart a way forward on what are complex, difficult social problems with real evidence based solutions, not ideology gone wrong.