Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:52): Of course, I will have to take the specific question on notice, not being the minister. Senator McGrath: You don't know! Senator WATT: It's not my portfolio. I've been a little busy on foot-and-mouth disease. What I do know is that since the election there has been further consultation about our policy to abolish the ABCC with the National Workplace Relations Consultative Council, which not only includes unions but includes business representatives; it includes the small-business council and Master Builders among other organisations, the Australian Industry Group as well. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, please resume your seat. Senator Cash? Senator Cash: Again, a point of order in relation to relevance. The minister has taken the question on notice. He has advised the chamber he is not the relevant minister and, as such, needs to consult with the relevant minister. In relation to any further commentary, it is not— The PRESIDENT: Your point of order is relevance? Senator Cash: I said that upfront; the Hansard will reflect that. The PRESIDENT: Please resume your seat. Senator Wong? Senator Wong: On the point of order, I make the same point of order I made earlier—that the point of order the deputy leader of the opposition has made is erroneous. It is not correct that when a minister takes part or some of a question on notice that minister cannot then address the substance of the question. That has been consistent—and maybe Senator Brockman might wish to stand up and confirm that that is the case if he wishes to engage in a point of order! The point of order is misconceived. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash? Senator Cash: On the point of order: the substance of the question, as has been referred to by the leader of the government, is actually in relation to a specific announcement on Sunday. It is not a wide-ranging substance. It is the announcement on Sunday. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, if you have a— Senator Wong: This is a debating point. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong! If you have a point of order, please make it to me and not to Senator Wong, but I'm assuming you are talking about relevance? My understanding— Senator Cash: As I said, Hansard will reflect it. The PRESIDENT: Thank you. I understand that Senator Watt can continue to be directly relevant to the question you've asked. He's taken a substantive nature of it on notice and explained that he is not the actual minister. Senator Watt, do you wish to continue? Senator WATT: Thank you, President. I know the concept of consulting unions is, again, something that is foreign to the opposition—something that they never did in government— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, please be directly relevant. Senator WATT: but, unlike the opposition, this government consults both business and industry groups and unions. We see that there is a place for both in the workplace relations system, and that's why, as I say, the advice I've received is that we have continued to consult the national workplace relations council since the election. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash, a second supplementary?