Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:54): Of course we are seeking savings from the ABC, and I ask the members opposite why do they think the ABC should be a protected species? And now they say, 'you said it'. Well, members opposite said that the deficit would be $18 billion and it turned out to be $50 billion. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: There will be silence on my left! Mr ABBOTT: Circumstances changed; events moved on. Don't members opposite understand that they left our country with a fiscal disaster? Don't they understand that? Don't they understand that if they ruined— Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney has asked her question and will desist! Mr ABBOTT: Don't they understand that if they are guilty of intergenerational theft it is important for this government to set things right? Don't they— Ms Plibersek interjecting— Mr ABBOTT: Madam Speaker, she has asked the question. The SPEAKER: I have already pointed that out. The member for Sydney will desist and hear the answer to the question she has asked. Mr ABBOTT: We have been quite up-front with the Australian people. We have said exactly what savings we are seeking. We have said exactly what savings we require them to make. The Leader of the Opposition says that there will be cuts under Labor as well, but he will not tell us what they are until after he has won the election. What could be more arrogant and duplicitous that? Sneakiness is stock-in-trade for this Leader of the Opposition. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: We have had enough guffawing on our left. Mr ABBOTT: I quoted one section of Paul Kelly's book yesterday. Let me quote more of Paul Kelly: … in March, Swann kept his eye on Shorten, suspicious about his loyalty to Gillard. Many Labor figures suspected that Shorten's real position in March was: I must support Gillard but I want Rudd to win. … Shorten didn't want the political blood of two leaders on his hands. He was thinking of his future. And that is the problem. He only thinks of his future, never of our country's future. That is his problem. That is why he will never be Prime Minister of this country. The SPEAKER: I call the honourable member for Lindsay. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Minister for Health will desist! The member for Lindsay has the call.