Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme) (15:00): Thank you, Senator Ruston, for the question. Thinking about John and his father, I understand how challenging it is for people who are facing these circumstances and who are, in many ways, facing a very significant change of life. This is a complicated and very longstanding issue, as you will understand, Senator Ruston, in our aged-care system. Those pressures are being felt particularly acutely in some regions. The Commonwealth has responsibility for the aged-care system, and we are working very closely with the states and territories—who, as you know, have responsibility for the hospital system—to manage the issue. Of course, our view is that every day that an older Australian spends in hospital when they should be in a more appropriate care environment puts a lot of pressure on those families. I'm sure that John, his family and his father are feeling that, but it also puts pressure on the hospital system. This system wasn't fit for purpose for older people when we came to government. That is exactly why, Senator Ruston— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Senator McALLISTER: we are rebuilding our aged-care system— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Senator McALLISTER: from the ground up— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Three times I've called you. Senator McALLISTER: to make sure that people are getting the care that they need where and when they need it. Senator Ruston, we were grateful for the constructive approach that the coalition took to that work, but we observe also that this was work that could have been done in the period when you were in government. Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Senator McALLISTER: We are moving very quickly to make up ground for the work that should have been done in the decade that you were in office. We are essentially attempting to do a decade's worth of work in aged care in just a few years. The PRESIDENT: Before I call you, Senator Ruston, you need to stop the running commentary. First supplementary?