Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:30): Thank you very much, Senator Whish-Wilson, for that question. I'll just reflect on some of the previous answers and discussions about friendship and the way that we ought to think about these things. There is a lot of interest over there, I think, on these issues of friendship. I watched a group of friends at that house before that funeral. I saw Senator Paterson looking like a bank robber who pretends to be a security guard— The PRESIDENT: Minister Ayres! Senator Whish-Wilson: President— The PRESIDENT: I'm assuming, Senator Whish-Wilson, you are asking me to draw him to the question, and I intended to do that before you stood. Senator Whish-Wilson interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Whish-Wilson, it is not a time for a statement. Seriously! Minister Ayres, I draw you to Senator Whish-Wilson's question. Senator AYRES: Thank you very much, President and Senator Whish-Wilson, for drawing me back. As you would know, Senator, we as a government disagree with the approach that you would advocate, which, in our view, would wreck the prospect of progress in international climate negotiations. It makes for good slogans and good T-shirts but in no way advances the position on climate or energy. Fifty-two per cent of Australia's oceans are already protected. We're working towards highly protecting 30 per cent. That does not mean, and it should not mean, stopping Australia's gas exports or the need for us to provide gas for industry, much of which means lower emissions and sustainable Australian industry. The approach advocated by you is bad for the environment, bad on global emissions, bad on climate progress and bad on jobs. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Whish-Wilson, first supplementary?