Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:38): I think Senator Canavan's position on investment in renewables, in decarbonisation, in energy efficiency and in low-emissions technologies is well known. He and I disagree vehemently on these issues, but I will acknowledge that he has remained consistent over many years on this. We believe, on this side of the chamber, that it is necessary for us to drive decarbonisation. We believe it is necessary to drive energy efficiency and we also believe it is necessary to try and scale up domestic manufacturing in renewable and low-emissions technology. That is jobs and economic activity in Australia—the capability and the capacity to manufacture low-emissions and renewable technologies here. There are a number of reasons for that, which are very much economic, not ideological. We know that the global market is transitioning. If you're serious about wanting to make sure our children grow up in an economy where we can deliver products and services to the world, where we can be part of supply chains that will be valued in a very different global economy, then we have to transform the Australian economy. The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan? Senator Canavan: A point of order on relevance: I have given the minister 90 seconds, but she hasn't gone to why they are getting a cut but homeowners aren't. The PRESIDENT: I believe the minister is being relevant, and I'll continue to listen carefully to her response. Senator WONG: I thought I was outlining the public policy rationale and the jobs rationale and the economic rationale for why we believe that leveraging more private sector activity in these areas is a good thing for our country and a good thing for Australian jobs, and that's what the government is doing. The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan, first supplementary.