Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:33): This is the difference between practical action that actually makes a difference on climate and energy questions and the sloganeering to no effect that comes from the Greens political party. Senator Allman-Payne: It's not practical if it doesn't work. Senator AYRES: Adopting the position that you advocate would be disastrous for the climate, would be disastrous in emissions terms, would be disastrous for Australian industry and would mean that we'd lose the framework that is critical to delivering these things that Australia is providing a leadership role on. Releasing new acreage helps address— Senator Allman-Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Ayres, please resume your seat. Minister Wong? Senator Wong: President— Senator Allman-Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Allman-Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Allman-Payne, whilst I hadn't named you directly, it was very clear on the three or four times I called for order I was meaning you. While I had the Leader of the Government in the Senate on her feet, you continued to interject. Senator Allman-Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: You are not in a debate with me, Senator Allman-Payne. I have called you to order. That is a direct order. Please continue, Senator Ayres. Senator AYRES: If you actually cared, genuinely, about the progress in climate, you would adopt the position that this government has adopted. If you actually wanted to make progress instead of go on a sort of constant quest for emotional self-fulfilment, you would support the government's approach. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Whish-Wilson, second supplementary?