Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:49): I'll deal with those questions in turn. It's good to see the architect of this longer question time arriving. First of all, there is nothing more calculated to deliver higher costs for industry or households— The PRESIDENT: Minister Ayres, please resume your seat. Senator Pocock? Senator David Pocock: Just on a point of order: I think there's some sort of standing order against talking about senators coming in and out of the chamber. I just ducked to the toilet quickly. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Pocock. It is a convention, but I will remind Senator Ayres not to name senators who are here and senators who may not be here. Minister Ayres, please continue. Senator AYRES: I will endeavour as always not to hurt anybody's feelings. There is nothing more calculated to put up electricity prices than more policy uncertainty. What we saw over the period of the last government was a government that was determined to never land an electricity policy framework. As a consequence, as Senator Canavan pointed out, prices nearly doubled under the last government. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Bell, a second supplementary?