Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (15:02): Thanks, Senator Ghosh, for that question. Policy certainty actually matters. It gives business the confidence to invest. This government is giving the market the signals that it requires to deliver and move ahead with major energy infrastructure projects that provide clean power and affordable power for Australians. But what signal is being provided by those opposite? Senator Paterson, who knows that the opposition is in chaos, argues—interestingly for a senator—that they are also irrelevant. He said: 'Our position on this issue is academic. We are in opposition.' Australians can see the chaos, and abrogating your responsibility as an alternative party of government to take the policy process seriously and deliver some kind of certainty for Australians and Australian business really shows us how— (Time expired) Senator Wong: I ask that further questions be placed on notice.