Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:50): The government's policy is very straightforward, and it's there for everybody to see. And it was endorsed strongly at the last election. And we've got a job to do to get about continuing to make sure that we're building more electricity generation and more transmission capability so that firms like Tomago Aluminium have got access to the low-priced electricity that they need. We've got a job to do: delivering for Australians. It's not the kind of complete policy incoherence that is dominating what has gone on over here. And you see what happened last week. The first hour of House of Representatives this morning really displayed what's on show— Senator Hanson: I have a point of order on relevance to the question. Will you give your word that there's no increased taxes to the renewables that you're pushing? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Hanson. The minister is being relevant. Senator AYRES: There certainly won't be increased taxes. What there'll be is certainty—certainty about what our framework is. Unless the old 'Joyce and Boyce show' over here—all the bulls in the paddock over there—desperately try to undermine the poor old Leader of the Opposition— (Time expired)