Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:48): I certainly would completely disagree with Senator Thorpe. There is a great need for a Minister for Indigenous Australians in this country to push through on Closing the Gap; to meet with our state and territory ministers, which I did on Friday; to meet with the Coalition of Peaks, who do their utmost to improve the health and livelihoods of First Nations people; and to negotiate within cabinet and with my colleagues, with their respective portfolios, on how we can reach agreement through the national agreement, which was signed by both the opposition and the government in every single jurisdiction. That's why we need an Indigenous Australians minister: to ensure that all of these things go through— Senator Thorpe: We need one that actually takes action, not sits on their hands. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, order! Senator McCARTHY: and that there is the ability to have the traineeships to ensure— The PRESIDENT: Sorry, Minister McCarthy. Minister Wong. Senator Wong: Senator Thorpe continues to interject. I ask that you call her to order. The PRESIDENT: I have been calling the senator to order. Senator Thorpe: You're a joke. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe! Senator McCARTHY: I'm certainly incredibly proud of the Indigenous organisations that do their best for First Nations people across this country. (Time expired)