Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:21): Thank you, Senator Waters, for pointing out that Australia is in fact involved in international forums, playing a constructive role and, frankly, back at the table. Senator Paterson: Why didn't Albanese go? Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator McALLISTER: The truth is it matters. It is in our national interest because if those opposite were actually paying attention, they'd notice that in communities they claim to care about bushfires are intensifying and becoming more frequent. Rainfall is intensifying and causing greater levels of flooding. Heatwaves are affecting older Australians— Senator McKenzie: What's your target? The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Wong? Senator Wong: Senator McKenzie was called by you, she took a breath and then interjected again. I'd ask you to call her again. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, I will remind you I did call order. You and Senator Paterson were interjecting. Senator Paterson kept quiet and you continued on. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: Thank you. Senator Waters points out that we're at the table calling for international collaboration to deal with this challenge because it matters for Australians and, incidentally, it matters for our neighbours in the Pacific. The approach we take to setting the target will be exactly as we have explained on many occasions and is set out in the act. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Waters, second supplementary?