Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:31): I thank Senator Hanson for raising the very important issue of the mental health and wellbeing of Australian citizens and the difference, in particular, in numbers of men who are successful with suicide than women. That has been the case for as long as I've been watching that data. Obviously how we deal with trying to support people who are contemplating suicide is a real focus of everybody in this chamber. It has huge individual cost, obviously, family and friend cost and also significant costs to the community. I can go through a number of the initiatives we are funding in mental health. I wasn't aware of that gathering on the lawns of Parliament House yesterday. On the issue that you raise about better access, the issue we found with that program was when it was returned to its normal level of 10 sessions—it was expanded only in COVID for 20 sessions—per person, it allowed a much greater number of individuals to access it. It didn't reduce access. It actually increased access because what we saw was that there's only a certain number of psychologists. If they see the same patient 20 times as opposed to seeing two patients 10 times, we were able to— Senator Ruston: It's demand driven. Senator GALLAGHER: Yes, it's demand driven. But there is only a finite capacity of psychologists available to provide services. Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Senator GALLAGHER: What we've seen is that— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Minister Wong? Senator Wong: Senator Ruston today, President, has ignored your ruling and laughed about ignoring your ruling on numerous occasions. It is time that she, as a senior member, actually showed the chair some respect. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, I have called you, and, the minute after I called you, you continued interjecting. You are being disrespectful to me. I'm asking you that, when I call you to order, you come to order. Senator Thorpe: Censure her too, then! The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, you come to order as well. Senator GALLAGHER: I will provide some more information in the next answer. The PRESIDENT: Senator Hanson, first supplementary?