Senator PAYMAN (Western Australia) (14:51): Please stop misleading Australians, Minister. The ABC reported on 14 November that the increase of the election funding rate to $5 per vote would net the major parties nearly $20 million based on last election's primary votes. Minister, are these reforms tackling big money, or is this just a redistribution of electoral wealth in favour of the major parties that fences off the playing field more than it does level it? The PRESIDENT: Senator Payman, technically, this level of detail about a bill before the parliament is out of order, but I will invite the minister to answer in whatever way he wishes.