Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:31): Yes, they certainly do, Senator Darmanin. The challenge faced by Medicare is the election of a Dutton coalition government, because we know what they did last time. We don't have to imagine; we saw it. They'd tax GP visits, freeze funding, decimate the health system and withdraw money from the hospital system. They've done it before; they'll do it again. We know Senator Ruston herself, in her own words, has said, 'Medicare is unsustainable.' The coalition will say that bulk-billing rates were higher under them, but what they aren't saying is that that was due to an inflated number, with COVID vaccinations. Bulk-billing was in freefall when we came to government, after a decade of neglect. It faced serious challenges with Medicare, due to the mismanagement of those opposite. Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! Minister Wong. Senator Birmingham: The whole answer is talking about the coalition. Come on! Senator Wong: President, a point of order on relevance— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I'm sorry, Senator Wong. Please resume your seat. Order! Senator Birmingham: The question was about us. The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, order! Minister Wong. Senator Wong: People may not like the answer, but that doesn't give senators the right to persistently interject after you have called. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister Wong. I quite agree, and I will continue to call all senators to order. The minister has 10 seconds left. Senator GALLAGHER: The biggest challenge facing Australians on this— Senator Birmingham interjecting— Senator Wong: Seriously. Now it's Senator Birmingham. A point of order: the minister had barely got to her feet when the leader of the opposition started to interject. The PRESIDENT: I have asked for order, and I will ask for order again. The minister has the right to be heard in silence. Senator GALLAGHER: The biggest risk facing Australians when it comes to their access to healthcare services is the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Peter Dutton. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: When you are silent! Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, you can either leave the chamber or listen in silence. That's the choice.