Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:28): Bulk-billing has increased in every state and territory since we came to government—5.4 million additional bulk-billed visits—and we know that by reducing the cost of health care for Australian families we limit the barriers to getting the care they need and reap the benefits— Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Gallagher, please resume your seat. Senator Wong? Senator Wong: Senator Ruston continues to interject and continues to disregard your calling her to order. The PRESIDENT: That's correct, Senator Wong. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: Maybe the minister might like actually to— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, please resume your seat. Seriously! Senator Ruston, resume your seat. Honestly! I called you out for interjecting and you kept on, and then you thought you'd do a little stunt and stand up and continue. Minister Gallagher, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: The difference between us is: we invest in Medicare, invest in bulk-billing and invest in urgent care clinics, and those opposite wind back indexation, they freeze rates and they try to introduce a GP tax—we'll never forget that. Who was that? It might have been Mr Dutton when he was last in charge. Then, of course, we've got Sussan Ley, from the other place, the deputy opposition leader, now belling the cat and saying that charging for services is a core tenet of the Liberal Party, and that if you don't pay for it you don't value it. Well, we over here believe in universal access to free health care. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Darmanin, a second supplementary?