Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:25): I think I identified in my response to the primary question what the nub of the question was, which is essentially a difference of views on native forests. We continue to support sustainable forestry. We recognise that a sustainable native forestry sector that operates under high standards for environmental management and sustainable harvesting has benefits in terms of jobs and the economy. Frankly, as someone from— The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Rice? Senator Rice: I have a point of order, President. My question was: how does the government expect to reach zero extinctions? It was not about extolling the benefits of native forest logging. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Rice. You also went to species and you also mentioned the RFAs. Minister Wong I think is being relevant. Please continue. Senator WONG: Senator, your position is: stop native forest logging. That's your position. I respect it. I disagree with it, but I respect it. So if I'm responding by saying that isn't the government's position then that is entirely relevant. One of the things I have never understood, given where I come from, is why it has been the position of the Greens political party that it's alright to have logging offshore in countries with lower levels of regulation than it is in Australia. And I can say that with first-hand experience— (Time expired)