Senator RICE (Victoria) (14:23): Minister, can I clarify: are you claiming that the recovery plan has actually been finalised? Reporting and the department have told us that it is actually still being finalised and that the Victorian and the New South Wales governments are yet to sign on. Has it been finalised? When will we actually be able to see a final swift parrot recovery plan? How many swift parrots are going to die because of logging before the plan is finalised?