Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:10): It is true that organisations working at the coalface of family violence— The PRESIDENT: I beg your pardon, Minister Wong. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: I'm seeking advice from you as to whether this question is in order. The PRESIDENT: Because? Senator Ruston: Because questions shall not be specifically going to the specifics of a matter that is currently before the chamber. Senator WONG: The supplementary question went to the attitudes of peak housing and homelessness bodies. I do understand why Senator Ruston is embarrassed about discussing this. I do understand why she finds it hard to defend their opposition to more homes. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: I understand why they're all on their feet now, wanting to make sure they don't talk about hope. Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator McKenzie, I have Senator Ruston on her feet. I do accept that you were on your feet first, but I'm— Senator McKenzie: Just a point of order—the minister was debating rather than actually addressing the— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator McKenzie. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: I'm seeking to understand whether you are actually going to rule on my request. The PRESIDENT: Yes, I will. I always give leaders an opportunity to respond. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order across the chamber! Senator Ruston, I am advised that it needs to be far more directly related to the bill on foot, which that question is not. It's more of a broad interpretation. Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: Could I ask, President, that you would actually seek to review the question that has been asked of the minister and reflect on your ruling, because I would draw to your attention that the question was very specific in its direction to the legislation currently before the chamber. The PRESI DENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. As I indicated to the chamber, I sought the advice of the Clerk, and I have reiterated to the chamber the advice of the Clerk. But if it assists the chamber, I am always happy to review the question. We will continue the answer. Minister Wong. Senator WONG: Thank you. I do understand why those opposite are embarrassed about their position on housing, which is what the intervention by the Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate demonstrated. They are so embarrassed about their position that they don't even want a government dixer on it. That is a new level of sensitivity from the opposition, and that is because their position is an unarguable position. It is an illogical position. Just ask Homelessness Australia's Kate Colvin, who said: The homes delivered through the HAFF will each make an enormous difference to people who would otherwise be homeless. Community Housing Industry Association's Wendy Hayhurst has spoken in support of this. The Master Builders Association have spoken out in support of this. The Urban Development Institute have spoken out in support of this. You are on your own in your relentless negativity and in your opposition to new houses. (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order across the chamber! That was very disorderly. Interjections across the chamber are particularly disorderly.