Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:56): Again, Senator Van, I'm very happy to consult with the Minister for Defence after question time and get an answer for you on that question. Can I say this: as I started to say before, the people of Ukraine and the government of Ukraine have no greater supporters than the Australian government and the Australian people. We have demonstrated, both through the visits that our Prime Minister has made to Ukraine and by the ongoing military and other forms of support, that we continue to deplore the actions of the Russian government under Putin, and we continue to ensure that we support the people of Ukraine. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Van, second supplementary?